Pyrokinesis is different from telekinetic pyrokinesis; simple pyrokinesis doesn't require using the mind. To set ablaze objects or beings Firestarters have to focus their minds to create a fire, hence a pyro- telekinetic ability. This is different from creating a fireball in the hand.
pyro is Latin meaning fire, kinesis is Latin meaning to move; it doesn't meaning using the mind to set something ablaze. Hence Tele- meaning mind.--HalliwellManorAkaDsc385 21:00, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
I was actually just thinking we could have this for a compromise. We keep the same individual articles for all the powers that Wiccid wants listed under pyro and electrokinesis, with all the same information specifically about these powers there, but also have sections in the kinesis articles just to explain how each power ties into the kinesis subject. How's that sound? PacChampion3D-17 23:01, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
Christie, Billy's sister, can set things on fire, too!
Pyrokinesis comes from πυρ (pir) and κίνησις (kinesis), these are greek words, not latin. Latin pyro comes from de greek word, but there's no kinesis in latin... i think you should edit that part...HombreRana 22:29, January 17, 2010 (UTC)
- The text doesn't say "kinesis" is a latin word. It says that the latin word "pyro" and the word "kinesis..." --TheBook 22:45, January 17, 2010 (UTC)
EldersEditI know this was from Barbas' warping Piper's fears but is it posible that Elders could possess fire throwing or at least some pyrokinetic abilitySourceOfAllCharmed 02:51, June 9, 2010 (UTC)
- I don't think so. Almost all fire based powers have been related to demons, evil witches, etc.. --Admin - TheBook // Talk Page // Contributions 13:57, June 9, 2010 (UTC)
Pyrokinesis is the movement of fire from the mind- like telekinesis is the movement of a mind's energy - with pyrokinesis you concentrate on fire in your mind and move it from your mind to reality. Kinesis comes from Kinetic meaning movement
Pyrogenism is the creation of fire like when a fire ball is created. Genism comes from Genetic meaning creation.
That is what makes firestarters so valuable to the Source - although most demons possess pyrogenism in the form of fire balls, firestarters are coveted magical creatures used as bodyguards of the Source because they can move fire from their minds eye. Pyrogenetic demons are limited to creating one type of fire not a whole flaming situation.
I'm going to change these powers accordingly. --HalliwellManorAkaDsc385 03:11, October 18, 2010 (UTC)
I was under the impression that Pyrokinesis is manipulating fire, while pyrogenism is creating fire. Correct me if I'm wrong, but either way the two pages seem a bit mixed together at the moment, they're difficult to differentiate between P3nathan
Main Infobox GifEdit
The power that is shown is not Pyrokinesis, but Pryogenism.
- Pyrogenism basically is Pyrokinesis :) -- 16:44, January 16, 2011 (UTC)
- Yes, I agree. It´s Pryogenism.
- If you can give an example of someone being able to manipulate fire in Charmed, but not being able to create it, then we'll seperate them. Thus far, the power to control and create fire have been aspects of one ability. P3nathan (talk)
Why is Pyrokinesis considered an evil power, Wyatt has this power and he's good also Pearl Russell wasnt always evil and she was born with this power the same with Christy. I dont think it's the powers just how you use them.22.214.171.124 20:46, March 22, 2011 (UTC)
The only time they outright told us that Pyrokinesis was an evil power was when Phoebe used it when she was pregnant. It was probably an easy way for us to know that the child inside of her was the unborn source. The worst part about it was that had Piper used the power while pregnant with Wyatt nobody would have questioned the fact that Wyatt was good. I mean Piper could have also used energy balls like Wyatt had in the evil future and nobody would have questioned her then either.Kt111 (talk) 22:20, November 27, 2012 (UTC)
In all fairness though, before Leo made that statement, Piper just assumed Phoebe's power was advancing somehow. The first thing implying it was bad was how awful Phoebe felt using it at the time, not really the power itself. But yes i suppose if Piper had channeled it from Wyatt they probably wouldn't have thought anything of it... it went against the whole morality of the user thing that they established in the very same season anyway, so it was a stupid line either way P3nathan (talk)
Infobox Image Edit
I think the Image in the infobox is not actually centered around Pyrokinesis; it is more Prue deflecting and Anton being vanquished. --KhanWiz - Guardian ~ (talk) ~ (email) 10:50, April 30, 2011 (UTC)
- Good, thankyou --KhanWiz - Guardian ~ (talk) ~ (email) 14:00, April 30, 2011 (UTC)
- Guys, I think the current infobox image is actually incineration, not pyrokinesis. Shall we change it? Charmedthree 09:13, May 22, 2011 (UTC)
I'm a little confused here. Since when are powers like fire balls and flaming suddenly being considered part of pyrokinesis? They are sperate powers! It's not like every pyrokinetic can create fireballs and flame, or that every being that can throw fireballs or flame has the power of pyrokinesis. I agree that all firebased powers are somewhat connected, but that doesn't mean they aren't seperate powers anymore.
Why is it listed as a fire based power?. Molecular Acceleration is as the name says a molecular based power. All of Piper's powers are molecular based. I think Pyrokinesis is creating, manipulating and moving fire, with Molecular Acceleration you can only create fire not control it. I dont think this power belongs to the page, it's similar but it's not a fire based power.Kt111 20:10, August 17, 2011 (UTC)
I agree, especially seeing as MA doesn't always result in fire P3nathan
Pyrokinesis is the next level of Molecular Acceleration so mol. acceleration is molecular/fire based power. 126.96.36.199 16:31, August 29, 2011 (UTC)
When was that ever said? P3nathan
This doesn't make much sense to me, there is a clear difference between molecular powers and elemental powers, just because acceleration can cause fire doesn't make it a firebased power.
I agree, Acceleration isn't a fire base power. It's would be the same as saying, "Phoebe generates electricity when she uses Pathokinesis/Advanced empathy, so that makes it and elemental power". Piper's powers are molecular base and Phoebe's powers are psychic base.Superlana 09:59, August 30, 2011 (UTC)
Yes but phoebe's pathokinesis resembles electricity , it isn't, she don't generate electricity. pipers power can create fire. also i agree with you that she cant control the fire she creates. piper can access this power because she can make fire but she can control the flames.Excalibur90 11:59, August 30, 2011 (UTC)
I still think we should make an effort to seperate elemental powers from molecular powers. We seperate Molecular Inhibition from Cryokinesis, Molecular Immobilization from Temporal Stasis etc. I also think we could make a note about such similarities on thee articles, but it seems like a waste of space to me having a full description on an article of a similar power and then having a seperate article aswell P3nathan
And on a seperate note... if they are not going to be seen as seperate, wouldn't Piper's power be a type of Pyrogenism (creating fire but not controlling it), because either way they're really poorly differentiated. P3nathan
We have to decide. also agree about pipers power being type of pyrogenism. i think we should add little information of mol. inhibition to cryokinesis and molecular immobization to temporal stacis.
Good or Evil Edit
It`s strange how a Warren witch could use her pyrokinesis through hands,though Leo said it is a demonic power.And the witch that Jeremy killed could channel pyrokinesis through hands,too.When Phoebe used this while being pregnant,it was because the baby was a demon.Phoebe also had this power in her past life,but she was evil then.
- Powers are neither good or evil, it's a matter of how they are used. However, over centuries, pyrokinesis became associated with evil. So both evil as good can possess pyrokinesis. --— PerryPeverell 11:35, August 29, 2011 (UTC)
- I love Charmed, but to be honest, keeping track of rules they made for the magical world was never the show's strong point. I can only assume that when Leo said "Phoebe, fire throwing is an upper level demonic power" he pointed it out because it has absolutely no link to premonition or levitation. Like when Phoebe was possessed by the Woogyman and got that conjuring power, conjuring isn't evil, but Prue was suspicious about how random it was P3nathan
I strongly believe Piper should be removed as a user. Pyrokinesis is defined as the ability to create and control fire with the mind. It's ture Piper can create fire through molecular acceleration, but this is in no way related to pyrokinesis. She doesn't create fire with her mind and she certainly can't control it. The fire she creates is an effect of her molecular powers and is not an elemental power on its own. Charmdozo 21:56, September 15, 2011 (UTC)
Pipers name should be added as a user.As there are several users of other fire based powers,whose name are on the list.Im talking about P.Russell,The Seer,Neena etc.As Piper is a user of another fire based power(Molecular Acceleration) I think her name should be added. 188.8.131.52 10:43, September 18, 2011 (UTC)
Yes, but they actually possess fire-based powers. Piper's powers are molecular based and therefore has no place here. Charmdozo 11:45, September 18, 2011 (UTC)
We dont know whats the future of Pipers Molecular Acceleration power.Maybe in the future she displays some control over the fire she creates.I suggest we add Pipers name in the users of Pyrokinesis.I dont think it matters if someone has actually fire-based powers or molecular based ones.As long as the outcome is the same!Im talking about fire creation. 184.108.40.206 12:42, September 18, 2011 (UTC)
Molecular powers work differently which is why they have been kept seperate for ages. And the outcome isnt always the same. Piper can melt things with MA... because she is speeding up the molecules, not creating fire from scratch like a pyrokinetic does. It is different, and it does matter. Not knowing what the future holds is a reason to wait before we add to articles, not a reason to add theories P3nathan
I agree, the future is not the present, so unless it actually happens, it shouldn't be added. There is a huge difference between molecular and elemental powers, so it does matter a lot. Charmdozo 12:50, September 18, 2011 (UTC)
Ok then. If you truly believe it,then remove Molecular Acceleration from Pyrokinesis page. 220.127.116.11 12:57, September 18, 2011 (UTC)
I would, because I do truly believe that, but if I do, it will be put back within a day by someone who doesn't agree. Charmdozo 12:59, September 18, 2011 (UTC)
If you cant do it then.I suggest you add Pipers name in the user section.Then we can have a vote,to decide if Molecular Acceleration should be considered a fire-based power.Ok? 18.104.22.168 13:19, September 18, 2011 (UTC)
im trying to put a picture in on the infobox, but it wont let me put anything on there . im having confusion, anyone wanna help, please do.Magical1 13:07, March 14, 2012 (UTC)
In my story I have a witch with the power to throw fireballs and thermokinesis, what do you think would be the next logical step for his powers to grow? Magiccatprincess 12:20, May 11, 2012 (UTC)
Mmm i think flamming is very good advance. teleport with flames! Excalibur90 13:36, May 11, 2012 (UTC)
Well is the witch in your fictional story evil???? I am also writing about a pyrokinetic witch with has fire based teleportation as many more aspects of fire. Charmednut 15:50 May 11 2012
I think cryokinesis would be the next step if he has thermokinesis and the fire side of the power that is pyrokinesis. Also it could be a more advanced form of pyrokinesis enabling him to create shapes like shields or animals made out of fire.Kt111 16:33, May 11, 2012 (UTC)
Those are some really cool ideas! Really help my view on the power growth. Thanks. The character is good BTW. I don't think I'll use the idea for him to be able to transform into animals like a phoenix seeing one of his best friends is a shapeshifter the powers would be too alike. Magiccatprincess 11:26, July 18, 2012 (UTC)
No problem.Kt111 00:33, May 12, 2012 (UTC)