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Why could this not have just been moved, instead of creating another article? :) --Guardian / Khan ッTalk ッ Contribs ッ  Work ッ  Email ッ  15:53, January 22, 2011 (UTC)

You mean from destabilization to acceleration? GlennVP created the article. I think its because Molecular Destabilization was redirected to Molecular Manipulation. -- Administrator/HalliwellManor Talk to Me ♠  Book of Contribs ♠   E-Mail Me ♠  
OK. --Guardian / Khan ッTalk ッ Contribs ッ  Work ッ  Email ッ  16:11, January 22, 2011 (UTC)
I think someone should contact Paul Ruditis and ask him about Pipers new power.Only he can explain to us whats realy going on,and whats is exactly Pipers power. 85.75.76.208 18:39, January 22, 2011 (UTC)
Noted, I'll ask him in the interview. --GlennVP - (talk) - (contributions) 18:48, January 22, 2011 (UTC)
Thank you!Because Im 99% sure that Pipers actually gained Molecular Manipulation.As we have already seen her use Molecular Immobilization,Molecular Combustion,Molecular Inhibition and Molecular Deceleration.Molecular Acceleration doesnt work for me.If you analyze the name you will see that Molecular Acceleration is the exact opposite to Molecular Deceleration. 85.75.76.208 18:51, January 22, 2011 (UTC)

I think Molecular Deceleration and Molecular Acceleration are the exactly opposite powers.If Pipers infobox includes Molecular Acceleration,it would only be fair if it included Molecular Deceleration also. 85.75.76.208 20:49, January 22, 2011 (UTC)

Just because they're opposites, doesn't mean that Piper gained both. --GlennVP - (talk) - (contributions) 20:51, January 22, 2011 (UTC)

Ok,but we see Piper sometimes use Molecular Deceleration.When she tries to freeze an upper level demon.She accessed that power,through her Molecular Immobilization power. 85.75.76.208 20:56, January 22, 2011 (UTC)

That's the demons adjusting to her Immobilization power, she never used Deceleration. --GlennVP - (talk) - (contributions) 20:59, January 22, 2011 (UTC)
Yeah,but Piper still has access to Molecular Deceleration (through Molecular Immobilization).That makes her a user of this power.So if Molecular Acceleration is included in her infobox,I think Molecular Deceleration should be included as well. 85.75.76.208 21:14, January 22, 2011 (UTC)
No she has no acces to this power. She freezes something or she doesn't. She can't make something slow down, she can only freeze it. She has no acces to Deceleration and should not be added. --GlennVP - (talk) - (contributions) 21:24, January 22, 2011 (UTC)
Ok as you wish!However thats not what I think.Anyway.....Im looking forward to hear news from Paul Riditis,and therfore from you about Pipers new power. 85.75.86.63 21:27, January 22, 2011 (UTC)

So when are you going to interview him? Are you going to make a blog so people can give you questions to ask, like you did a while ago? --Shanebeckam 21:29, January 22, 2011 (UTC)

Questions can be submitted on charmedcomicfan.jimdo.com But if you wish, you can also submit them to my talk page. --GlennVP - (talk) - (contributions) 21:35, January 22, 2011 (UTC)

I think Molecular Destabillization is a more appropriate name for Pipers new power.Molecular Acceleration does not descibe exactly the use of Pipers power. 85.75.86.63 22:43, January 22, 2011 (UTC)

Cut the bull already JohnnyHalliwell (Comments seen above as wikia contributor - 85.75.86.63). It is Acceleration. Educate yourself on science and chemistry. See "Science behind acceleration" and visit the site I mentioned a while ago. Scientifically, when something melts or become liquid, it is due to movement of particles; when something is solid it is due to stillness of particles. --Moderator/HalliwellManor Talk to Me ♠  Charmed Faves ♠  Book of Contribs ♠   Archived Pages ♠   E-Mail Me ♠  

Power Explanation Edit

Molecular Acceleration is the ability to accelerate the motion of molecular matter via physical contact (generally by the hands), resulting in a catalytic increase in the heat of the object. This can be used to turn normal objects into superheated projectiles or to melt things with one's hands. This can even be used to set things on fire or burn objects.

I think this explanation is better than the other one used.What do you think? 85.75.110.244 15:32, January 24, 2011 (UTC)

This comes from another wiki. Moderator/HalliwellManor Talk to Me ♠  Charmed Faves ♠  Book of Contribs ♠   Archived Pages ♠   E-Mail Me ♠  


Yes,I know!Is there a problem?? 87.202.122.59 18:26, January 24, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, there is a problem. This wiki does not take information found on other wikis. We come up with our own information from the series. Moderator/HalliwellManor Talk to Me ♠  Charmed Faves ♠  Book of Contribs ♠   Archived Pages ♠   E-Mail Me ♠  
^ He is right. --Guardian / Khan ッTalk ッ Contribs ッ  Work ッ  Email ッ  19:08, January 24, 2011 (UTC)

Molecular MeltdownEdit

This is the name being used on charmedcomicfans blog and I think it would be better than Molecular Acceleration. Simply because Molecular Combustion is also accelerating molecules and this would better seperate them. Or perhaps have both powers called Molecular Acceleartion and then put Molecular Combustion and Molecular Meltdown under it (like how the term Molecular Manipulation is used) P3nathan

I disagree, meltdown does not seem appropriate for the name. "Acceleration" fits the other terms better (Immobiliztion, Combustion, Deceleration, Manipulation). --PerryPeverell - (talk) - (contributions) 13:26, March 9, 2011 (UTC)
Not sure if having 'tion' on the end of it is the best reason to be honest P3nathan
I didn't say it was. I just think it's better to have some unity between the terms. Meltdown doesn't even describe what happens, other then the melt part. But this power accelerates molecules, so Acceleration fits best. Molecular Combustion accelerates molecules as well, but only to the point where they combust, hence combustion. --PerryPeverell - (talk) - (contributions) 13:44, March 9, 2011 (UTC)
Well I'd argue that 'the melt part' is pretty significant seeing as so far that's all we've seen her use it for. If we call her second power molecular combustion when we know that that works by accelerating molecules then why not have a name for this power that focuses on the melting? P3nathan
If you want mention melt than suggest "Molecular Melting" not meltdown. --PerryPeverell - (talk) - (contributions) 14:07, March 9, 2011 (UTC)

"Molecular Melting" doesn't make sense, since the molecules don't actually melt. "Molecular Acceleration", which is the midpoint between normal and combustion, fits the best because it is the converse of "Molecular Deceleration", which is the midpoint between normal and immobilization. Shanebeckam 18:48, March 9, 2011 (UTC)

RopeEdit

I thought she used combustion for the rope. --PerryPeverell - (talk) - (contributions) 21:21, March 13, 2011 (UTC)

I think it's Acceleration. They usually differentiate between the two by making Piper's hand glow when she's using Acceleration. Shanebeckam 21:51, March 13, 2011 (UTC)
So did I, but Paul said it was her new power on Twitter [[Special:Contributions/92.16.67.228|P3nathan]]

Capitilizations. Does everyone know how to use them properly? Because I've noticed that pretty much everything is getting capitilized and treated like a proper form of speech, and that's not really proper form. Take a look at this page for instance. One example, why is "Melting" capitilized? It's in the middle of a sentence and just because it's a power I believe it doesn't make it a capital. Whichever the reason, heck I thought I did a pretty good job rewording this page, BUT...a Wikia contributer decided that his or her way was MUCH better. C'est la vie! Just tryin' to help out, been gone for a very long time. With all do respect, the site's looking great to all who have worked so hard on it!


I'm not the one who changed the page after you reworded it but, when it comes to the capitalization thing, proper names are always capitalized. Melting, for instance, is a proper name of a power, hence capitalization. Also, I'm 99.9999998% sure the person who reverted your edit is JohnyHalliwell. He always uses multiple IP addresses to change things and revert edits. 216.174.136.2 01:59, March 15, 2011 (UTC)
Meh, it's not like I'm really concerned with it I just thought mine was better hahahaha. Whichever the reason, it is what it is. I'll continue to edit and try to improve this site as much as I can. Heck, I've been part of this project for years (granted some of them dormant a few)...but still nonetheless. Just so I can get things clear, it is preferred that I type, "Phoebe suddenly receives a Premonition" or would should I leave the proper name of the power uncapitalized? Nicknameguy 05:37, March 15, 2011 (UTC)
Wow, and I can't believe I didn't sign that first post. My bad!! So unlike me. =P Nicknameguy 05:38, March 15, 2011 (UTC)
please can somebody add the foto cover of issue one in molecular acceleration page because pipers hands glow(that means acceleration)and paul said that is a way to saw us her powers.
If it was a picture in the actual comic, I'd agree. But I think this was just to make it look more magical. Piper didn't develop the power until issue 4, I doubt he'd put it on the issue 1 cover when she didn't have it yet. P3nathan
yes but this effect symbolize her acceleration power because her hands glowing. also in the covers of issues 4 and 5 there is this effect.and how put the note that this isnt anew power?this is wrong because is a branch of molecular manipulation.

Actual Power Edit

Judging from the infobox picture, as well as the fact this power is just really advanced Molecular Combustion, the power just generates heat, it doesn't liquify objects. If no one objects, I'll edit the page to fit the new definition. Shanebeckam 19:39, June 3, 2011 (UTC)

Sounds like a good idea.P3nathan


What makes something melt? Heat. That sounds like a good idea Shane :) --KhanWiz - Guardian ~ (talk) ~ (email) KhanWoodmark 19:53, June 3, 2011 (UTC)
So it's like a form of thermokinesis? Charmedthree 19:59, June 3, 2011 (UTC)
If it's an advanced form of M.C then it shouldnt have its own page. It should be merged to the M.C page.Kt111 21:19, June 3, 2011 (UTC)


A very long time ago a user got blocked on this wiki because one of the main reasons was because he kept merging pages together. I do not want that. Extensions of powers should have their own page, it is like merging Pryrokinesis, Hydrokinesis, Electrokinesis and Telekinesis together because they are all to do with moving of something. --KhanWiz - Guardian ~ (talk) ~ (email) KhanWoodmark 21:25, June 3, 2011 (UTC)
it sounds a good idea but what will be her name?heat generation or something with thermokinesis or just another molecular manipulation branch?when i saw for the first time the picture i understood that didnt was a molecular branch but i think it was a power like advanced thermokinesis which was seem to be extension of her combustion power(or heat genration or something like leo used when was an avatar to destroy many demons he used heat to the ground to do this).its not just a advanced mol. combustion but a super powerful power because she can project from her hands an enormous heat like did when she melted the the whole road (i think that this is the power that leo used as an avatar)

No this power is nothing like Loe's power. Piper doesn't generate heat from her hands, she generate's heat in the objects. The glow is just for use to know that she used the power. It's a far less powerful form of Molecular Combustion, thing don't explode they just melt.Superlana 07:39, June 4, 2011 (UTC)

When she used it, the power came from her hands on both pictures.the white beams that used generated heat from her hands.she can burn and melt things as well.

Piper speeds up molecules until it melt. Piper herself doesn't generate the heat, the object does when it is melting. The glow is just to show she's using her power in the comic. Superlana 11:00, June 4, 2011 (UTC)

I don't think Shanebeckam intends to change the name of the power. The power speeds up the molecules which creates heat, but the result of this is not always melting. We see this when Piper uses it to burn through the rope in issue 5. I think he's pointing out that liquefication of objects isn't the powers only effect P3nathan

I agree with p3nathan the power shows that can burn and heat/melt things. The glow/white beam wasn't to show us that using this power but is the effect of this power ( like pyrokinesis effect fire ) and generate it from her hands beccause if she could melt the whole road with a hand gesture she would do it (this would be more powerful) .

The note that isn't this power new must be delete. paul said that is greater control of mol. combustion but has another effect heat and not blow up. why this isn't a new power and pathokinesis is ?

I don't think the note has to be deleted... it is a greater control of molecular combustion. It has its own page because we can't really call this molecular combustion considering it doesn't always cause any combusting. If we named Molecular Acceleration as an umbrella term for both this and combustion, that could work. P3nathan

Although I'm sure if you did the same thing on the Pathokinesis page it would be deleted...

Double standard Edit

I move the information from this page to the molecular combustion page like we did with pathokinesis and advanced telekinesis. Why does this power deserves its own page since its only a greater control of molecular combustion and not a new power. It even says so on the page. I'm sorry if i am being to harsh but its a really small page that can be erased and the information moved to the M.C page since even Paul said it wasnt a new power.Kt111 18:28, June 13, 2011 (UTC)

Erased and Joined Edit

Combastion and Acceleration.Superlana 19:40, June 13, 2011 (UTC)



Please vote here for combining. --SignatureBuffyBasset 19:43, June 13, 2011 (UTC)

Note Edit

Molecular Acceleration isn't a new power for Piper, it's just a greater control of her Molecular Combustion power.


Would anyone mind if we changed this to:

Molecular Acceleration is a greater control of Piper's existing powers.

...or something along those lines? P3nathan 22:36, June 17, 2011 (UTC)

Molecular Acceleration a kinetic power Edit

I find many information about this power. Molecular Acceleration (also known as kinetic charging or kinetic energy manipulation) is a power that can create fire, heat and kinetic energy. The user can generate kinetic energy from his hands like piper did in issue 4 when generated heat from her hands to melt the road and can focus on an object or somebody to make them heat and the result will be fire or the object being melted. Also i found that the next level of this ability is pyrokinesis. Thats what i found. I think that these information totally true so we should add some of this information.

Did you get this info from Marvel wiki by any chance? The info on this page is based on what we have seen in the comics and the general theme of Piper's powers, to be honest I think that's enough P3nathan

Yes i found from marvel wiki the other names and the other information from other sites and from books. I think that these informations are important things aand should be add because the information wil be incorrect.

Why would we be incorrect? We can't base the powers in Charmed on the powers in Marvel (or anywhere else for that matter). For example, Jean Grey is telekinetic, but she can do like 10 times more with it than the majority of telekinetics on Charmed can. I understand where you're coming from, but this is Charmed Wiki, Charmed is the only source we need for the info to be correct. P3nathan

Yes but how we can understand a power if we dont try to find all the information we need to understand it. All the information i find tells that is kinetic energy how we tell that isnt. if we see pictures how can undestand what is the name or the result of the power? Thats why i want to find information to understand excactly what is this power.

Comic covers Edit

Do we really need all those comic covers in the gallery? To be honest I think it is just to show she is using any of her three powers, I just can't see why they would show her using it on the cover of issues in which she doesn't even have her acceleration power yet P3nathan

Can any one Edit

Add a photo of the melted road and the source trapped I added one but is of bad quality Peter Halliwell 05:11, September 3, 2011 (UTC)

Molecular Acceleration Edit

When Piper use this power, Does the targeted object immediately burn or melt? Or It needs some secs? What decises what will do the targeted object?User:Domynyk 15:55, Sept 13, 2011, (UTC)

I think it's the same as with her combustion power sometimes things just disintegrate and sometimes she produces explosions and fire. I think mentally she can control the outcome.Kt111 20:26, September 13, 2011 (UTC)

Its the same as with her other powers. piper decides what this power will do to the target (melting or burning).46.177.39.91 10:25, September 14, 2011 (UTC)

We don't know for certain, but it probably depends on what she's targeting. Certain materials will burn way before they melt (like the rope). While some materials melt before they burn (like the road). P3nathan

Not elemental Edit

Molecular Acceleration is a molceular based power that just happens to cause fire and heat as a possible side effect. This doesnt make it an elemental power, so why are Piper and Molecular Acceleration suddenly listed on several elemental pages as user and power? This doesn't seem right. Charmdozo 21:36, September 14, 2011 (UTC)

molecular acceleration is a molecular power that creates fire so with this power piper can access the power of pyrokinesis. it's not elemental but can access an elemental power so can create what the elemental power creates. 46.177.110.231 21:06, September 15, 2011 (UTC)

No, I don't think it works like that. Pyrokinesis is the power to create and control fire with your mind. It has nothing to do with molecular acceleration. Just because Piper can cause a fire, doesn't mean she has acces to pyrokinesis. She doesn't create it intentionally and she can't control it. It's not elemental and shouldn't be mentioned there in my opinion. 217.121.3.236 21:11, September 15, 2011 (UTC)

To avoid confusion I think they should be kept seperate. People could just as easily say: "Well everything is made up of molecules, so aren't pyrokinetics speeding up the molecules too?". It just makes things more simple if they're seperate P3nathan

Agreed, plus the contributor above was me. Still new as a user and I keep forgetting to login before commenting. Charmdozo 21:29, September 15, 2011 (UTC)

Look,I completely agree with you that Molecular Acceleration should not be considered an elemental power.However since Piper can access both Thermokinesis and Pyrokinesis,her name should be mentioned in the users section. 85.75.85.214 22:39, September 15, 2011 (UTC)

Look, creating a fire and accessing pyrokinesis are two completely seperate things. Pyrokinesis is creating and controlling fire through the mind and th fact is Piper can't do that. Charmdozo 22:48, September 15, 2011 (UTC)

You dont know that.How are you sure that Piper doesnt control her Molecular Acceleration power and therefore fire itself.Plus if someone can create fire,no matter what his power is,his name should be mentioned in the users of PYROKINESIS. 85.75.85.214 23:10, September 15, 2011 (UTC)

Even if Piper could access Pyrokinesis with he M.A. (which i dont think is true) she cant access Thermokinesis because that's the ability to manipulate temperature to create fire and ice.Kt111 23:23, September 15, 2011 (UTC)

Saying Piper is a user of Pyrokinesis is like saying that Phoebe is also a user of Pyrokinesis because she can manipulate Fire Balls with her Empathy.Kt111 23:27, September 15, 2011 (UTC)

I know it is a stupid question ,but when does she uses M.A. to create fire? I just saw the images.

She used it to burn through a rope when fighting the Source and to start a campfire when she was in Neenas realm. But like it has been said before, it wasn't pyrokinesis Charmdozo 07:42, September 16, 2011 (UTC)

We saw only three times this power. we saw that piper melted the whole road and traped the source, she burnt a rope and she generated from her hands heat to create fire. i strongly believe that piper must stay to pyrokinesis page users because she can create fire. we don't know yet if she can control it we will see in the future paul said that she will use it in issue 16. maybe she is the "firestarter" in issue 15 (theories).. about phoebe ..she can deflect the fireballs back she didnt create any so it's incorrect example. also because piper she can create fire has a "branch" of pyrokinesis like others who can only create fireballs or throwing fire and not control it so she stays. Excalibur90 10:02, September 16, 2011 (UTC)

I disagree, Pyrokinesis is the power to create and control fire with the mind. saying Piper has acces to pyrokinesis is the same as saying that every demon that can create fireballs has acces to pyrokinesis as well. Phoebe's example is correct is well, since she can tap into other powers. So by your logic everyone who has a slight connection to fire should have pyrokinesis? I think we should keep seperate powers seperate. Charmdozo 10:07, September 16, 2011 (UTC)

There are seperate, they don't are the same. we don't know a lot of this power maybe can or can't control this power with her mind. phoebe can tap into powers but we only see her taping into telekinesis and when piper was valkyrie. she didn't use it again. also she can deflect powers back. if she could do this why she didn't tapped into pipers power or paige to become stronger??? because she couldn't ... so its incorect because its just a theory.. we didnt see it. all of these(fire balls, pyrogenism, breat fire, molec. acceleration etc.) are powers that can create fire but the user can't control the fire, molec. acceleration its excactly the same. these powers are on pyrokinesis page so must stay and the molecular acceleration power. End of story. Excalibur90 10:21, September 16, 2011 (UTC)

You mention Phoebe, by this way of thinking we could say that her Empathy can act as a form of telekinesis, because she can move the powers using her mind. Best to keep things like this seperate P3nathan

Well, I don't agree with fire balls and other fire-based powers being on the pyrokinesis page, as I believe all powers should be treated seperately, but that's not the issue right now. We're dicussion MA and the point is that MA doesn't match the definition of pyrokinesis, aka creating and controling fire with the mind, therefore it seems clear to me that it doesn't belong on the pyrokinesis page. Charmdozo 12:27, September 16, 2011 (UTC)

Molecular powers are quite rare. Only the strongest magical beings seem to possess it (mainly the Warrens). The molecular powers have always been kept seperate from powers that work differently but look similar (temporal stasis seperated from Molecular immobilization/ Cryokinesis seperated from Molecular Crystalization) it makes it simpler and also highlights the special nature and rareity of molecular powers P3nathan

Guys the powers are seperate.... ok i think that we must ask paul for answers or wait for next issues..... we will not do anything to this page until we get answers ok? if you arent agree with that we can vote or something else... i am boring with such a drama.Excalibur90 21:59, September 16, 2011 (UTC)

I don't really think that's neccesary and I am getting a little frustrated with this dicussion as well. The facts are, the powers are seperate, pyrokinesis is creating and controlling fire through the mind, molecular acceleration can cause a fire but not control fire in any way. As far as Í'm concerned these are the facts, and what they lead to is that molecular acceleration and pyrokinesis are not connected in any way, excecpt that they involve fire somehow. Therefor it remains my opinion that molecular acceleration should not be treated as an elemental power in any way. Charmdozo 22:12, September 16, 2011 (UTC)

Paul isn't interested in looking into powers with so much detail, so even if there is another interview or someone can contact him on Twitter, I doubt he'll answer. I hardly think it's a drama... I personally just think it would be simpler if molecular powers remained seperate, I don't think anyone would call Piper a firestarter or pyrokinetic, she manipulates molceular speed. But I suppose we could vote if people really can't agree P3nathan

Restart the discussionEdit

I feel like I keep trying to make the same point, but people keep changing things back without explanation or good arguements. As far as I am concerned these are the facts. Piper can create fire with her MA under certain circumstances, but she can't control it. MA is a molecular based power. On the other hand, Pyrokinesis the creating and controlling of fire through the mind. This is an elemental power.

In my opinion there is no connection between MA and Pyrokinesis. They just happen to both create fire, but the basis of the powers, the way they work and the level of control are completely different. For this reason, I don't think pyrokinesis should be metioned in the MA page or reversed. Charmdozo 12:33, September 18, 2011 (UTC)

This is the final comment I will make on this. Molecular powers should be kept seperate because they work differently. We've developed an obsession recently, linking a ton of pages saying: "This is a form of this and that is a form of this and this power is another form of these 3 powers!" it get's confusing, and molecular powers have always been kept seperate because of the rare way in which they work. Piper can also melt things using MA, that is because she's speeding up the molecules with her power, not creating fire from scratch like a pyrokinetic would P3nathan

I agree, glad to see I'm not the only one who feels this way. Charmdozo 12:52, September 18, 2011 (UTC)

Ok then.If you all agree.Then remove Molecular Acceleration from Pyrokinesis page. 85.75.73.5 13:17, September 18, 2011 (UTC)

Ok, what else do you want? I edited both pages to make clear the differences between molecular Acceleration and pyrokinesis, what do you think it means "although it's not a fire based power molecular acceleration can create fire by ..." and "Piper can access some aspects of Pyrokinesis and Thermokinesis through Molecular Acceleration making her the oly charmed one that can create a kind of elemental attack. Stop the disscussion ok I'm tired of all of you especially you Charmdozo I know you want to make important changes on this wiki but there is a big difference between changes and problems (I don't mean you are problem but your discussion is creating some between the users just like you and me right now). I appreciate your interest in the pages but the pages are ok right now. - Peter Halliwell 15:30, September 18, 2011 (UTC)

Okay, are you kidding me with this? I voice my opinion like anyone else about something that is clearly wrong in my opinion and now I'm causing problems? I'm trying to point out that you are creating a connection where there is none. MA is not connected to pyrokinesis one bit, and that's why the powers shouldn't even be mentioned on each others pages. Everything is getting over-analysed on this wiki and suddenly all powers are being connected to each other while in my opion each power should be treated seperately.

Look we're both Charmed fans and we both want to make this wikia as good as possible, so we can have a normal discussion if we don't agree on something. So don't give an attitude like you are better than me and act like I'm just causing problems. Charmdozo 16:35, September 18, 2011 (UTC)

I hate this drama here..... Charmdozo, Peter Halliwell made it clear that M.A. isn't a fire based power and he put clear notes in both pages... you just create drama without a specific reason.... MA isn't fire based power but mol.acceleration's effect is fire so have a connection. Excalibur90 21:26, September 18, 2011 (UTC)

I'm not creating drama, I'm just standing by my opinion, but clearly there aren't enough people who agree with me so I'll drop it. So much for open discussion. Charmdozo 22:01, September 18, 2011 (UTC)

Okay... I'm going to cut in here. The page is clearer now and I'm happier with it, so I thank PeterHalliwell for that, but if it wasn't for discussions like these, then changes like that wouldn't be made half the time. It IS a discussion, it IS a debate. If there is anything I'm sick of, it is every debate and discussion being made out to be a crazy drama, it's not! Ever since the Pathokinesis-mania, every debate has been looked at negatively. Charmdozo wrote on the discussion page, he requested a vote but as far as I know left the big changes for other people to decide on... so basically what I'm saying is, calm down and back off a bit. It's a discussion, not everyone will agree and just as much drama is being caused by people shouting at people for supposedly causing drama! So long as an opinion is supported, there's nothing wrong with it P3nathan

Removed pics? Edit

How come a load of the pics were removed from the gallery? If any pics get removed it should be the cover pics, her hands may be glowing but we can't even see the power taking effect. The pics that have been removed were far better illustrations of her using the power P3nathan

They weren't the best quality. —LeonardoWyatt - (talk) - (contributions) 04:01, September 22, 2011 (UTC)
I think we should add the picture until someone uploads one of better quality - Peter Halliwell 02:31, September 24, 2011 (UTC)

Vaporization Edit

I think there is another effect of this power along the melting and the burning. The vaporization. Piper burns a combustible object, melts roads or metals, but when she uses MA on water she can evaporate it. What is your opinion, shouldn't we add this? User:Domynyk 19:02, Oct 26, 2011, (UTC)

I think that molecular acceleration has many uses because with the heat an object can burn, melt, evaporate, combust. I think we have to add sections about what can do so i agree to add information about the sub-powers.Excalibur90 17:35, October 26, 2011 (UTC)

It's a logical theory, but we should stick to what we've actually seen her do P3nathan

It's time to add Vaporization because piper heat the pot with food so she evaporate the water.Excalibur90 15:43, February 25, 2012 (UTC)

She just heated up the liquid, she didn't vaporize it. P3nathan

Agreed, she was seen cooking whatever was in the pan, not vaporizing it. Charmdozo 17:02, February 25, 2012 (UTC)

Fire and Melt Edit

We saw that this power can do much things with heat. MA can burn things (rope and the campfire) and melt things (road). I think we have to seperate in this article what this power can do. Burning and Melting are good titles.I will do some changes if anyone doesnt agree tell me. Excalibur90 12:59, November 8, 2011 (UTC)

Forms of usage Edit

I think we should also add to the page the two forms the power has been used (Shooting a kind of stream of energy that causes objects to melt or just pointing at the target as your hands glow causing objects to burn) I don't know if the difference is caused by the different artist but they seem 2 ways for me - Peter Halliwell 01:58, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

If you are referring to the first time she uses her power when you say "stream of energy", I don't think it's a beam coming from Piper's hands, I think it's the road glowing as it melts, it just looks like the angle at which it's drawn to me. Artists do draw powers in different ways though, the one constant thing with MA so far is the glowing hands P3nathan

I think that the stream of energy was the first powerful suspect thats why she didnt use it again. remember when she used M.C. to tarkin and she make fire to the plants? she couldnt make fire in early seasons, she only made fire because she didnt control excactly her power. So in the comics now she cant display the beam like effect because it was too powerful and she couldnt control it. Now only her hands glow. In the future i think that she can display this beam. I think that we must add this information. i will do some changes. if anyone disagree tell me. Excalibur90 15:52, February 25, 2012 (UTC)

What. is. this?Edit

Is that really Piper?

Who are they hiring to draw these comics -_-

The illustrator is Dean Kotz. I actually think he's gotten pretty good at drawing Piper's likeness, although I'll grant you this isn't the best example P3nathan
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Used in series Edit

I saw again the episode Size Matters, and i understood/thought that when piper shrunk she used a power similar to her Molecular Acceleration power to the wand to shrink gammil. If you saw the power, piper's hands glow and the wand is heated. I understand that this happened because she was small and her powers were less potent too. She didnt use combustion but acceleration because she didnt knew how to used this ability. Also paul said tha he saw the series again and again so he could use this episode to create the new power for piper. I think that is very possible this happened. What you think?

Also when they were in the underworld to light a fire. That's why i dont really consider MA as a new power just a more controlled version of MC. It's not like when she developed MC from her original power of MI or when Prue got Astral Projection or Phoebe Levitation, Empathy and Pathokinesis. To me it's a little advancement like when Phoebe received Retrocognition.21:21, January 21, 2012 (UTC)Kt111

Hmm, although it would make sense, I think in Size Matters she just made a really small explosion. Her powers were shrunken, but their effect didn't seem to change... she was able to completely freeze Gammal once he was small, she didn't just slow him down. So I think the same would apply to her MC, she was just able to produce proportinate explosions. As for her lighting the fire in s8, I think that could've been the beginning of her developing MA, but there seemed to be a pretty clear explosive effect to me... I dunno, I find MA and MC very hard to seperate in some cases. I myself tend to just think of Piper's powers in a less detailed way, she can speed molecules up and she can slow them down... I find that a lot easier P3nathan

@Kt111 think that M.A. can make an object/person to burn/heat up/or melt these cant created by M.C. but only with acceleration. acceleration have many effects. So its very different power. also i dont think that pathokinesis is new power but an advanced version of empathy. @P3nathan piper could freeze himbecause he was shrink too. its very logical. piper did it only one time thats why i strongly believe that she used acceleration. also i find good idea to add this information to M.A. page and put the picture with the wand in the inbox.

The power didn't exist before the comics, you can't retcon it into the series. Charmdozo 23:16, January 21, 2012 (UTC)

@User- that's exactly my point. Yes, Gammal was shrunken, but he still froze... so with that in mind, there is no reason that Piper's power would stop causing explosions, they are just smaller explosions than usual. She just made a small blast. P3nathan

@User in regards to Pathokinesis I only consider it a new power because of the different use and effect it has compared to her other powers sure it shares similarities with Empathy but it's an offensive ability and it has a different purpose as it is used to kill. MA and MC are so similar that the only way I can tell the difference is because when Piper uses MA her hands glow. I think when Piper received MC it was meant to be her strongest power offensively so now I think the only alternative for advancements are weaker versions of her powers like MA or MD or some type of physical power like Intangibility. Meanwhile her sisters powers progressed from supportive and defensive powers to more offensive powers Premonition-Levitation-Empathy-Pathokinesis and TK Orbing-Orb Shield. When Prue came back I think the sisters received small advancements very similar to their previous powers and better control of their existing powers. And like P3nathan said Piper can speed up or slow down molecules and MA falls under speeding up molecules to a different result. Also regarding another thing you said MC can create fire remember when she first got the power and she tried to use it on Tarkin but hit the bush behind him and it created a fire and like I said above she didnt receive MA until S9 so how else did she start a fire in S8.Kt111 00:55, January 22, 2012 (UTC)

MA is probably the lesser of the power advancements... I would have liked to see Piper able to manipulate her own molecules. But Paul has thought through all the advancements pretty well I think, because he's stayed within the basis of each sister's powers. Piper can now control the speed of molecules more so that she can heat things, melt things and burn things without causing explosions: that's three different effects. Phoebe can use her empathy to redirect the emotion that she's channeling and Paige can do more with her telekinetic orbing ability creating orb shields. @User- Piper can create fire with MC. Explosions can create fire. MA allows her to create fire without an explosion...it's a subtle difference. P3nathan

@P3nathan sorry i was the "user" i didnt log in haahaaha... i didn't said that its not a new power but i said that she used this advanced power in size matters because her hands glow and i thought that she creayed heat and she first displayed something like this in s8. i know that mol. acceleration its great power and has three different effects. i was just said that she displayed something like this in size matters and you dont think that so we cant do anything ...Excalibur90 10:55, January 24, 2012 (UTC)

Most of that was is response to what Kt111 was saying. But as for Size Matters, I get where you're coming from, but it was MC. Piper can create heat and fire when she makes an explosion, but like I said MA creates the heat and fire without a blast. You can see the blast in Size Matters and in S8. MA was discovered in the comics, it doesn't create blasts or explosive force like MC does, it melts, burns or heats the object simply by accelerating the molecules enough to increase its temperature.. P3nathan

Acceleration vs CombustionEdit

I prefer this power to combustion (I know it's technically the same power), but with acceleration you can do so much more. Does anyone else prefer it and consider it the mother power, with combustion being just on aspect.Superlana 12:48, February 14, 2012 (UTC)

It cant be the mother power because through Combustion, Piper explained it. Its not the same powers. Combustion is the most powerful power and is more offensive and it was used to destroy many demons and the user can use deviation but Acceleration is more useful because you can use it to create different things(fire,heat,melt). Also i think that the user can control the fire that made because Tamora create a circle so she controlled the fire to create the circle.Excalibur90 14:01, February 14, 2012 (UTC)

I like to think of it as the mother power, I just think it's so much cooler and useful. And I highly doubt the user can control fire, because their power is centered around speed up molecules, they can create it, but that's were their control ends.Superlana 14:20, February 14, 2012 (UTC)

Users cannot control fire, I wish people would give up on this idea that Molecular Acceleration somehow lets users access Pyrokinesis. Charmdozo 14:22, February 14, 2012 (UTC)

A side effect of speed up molecules is the creation of fire; I take that as accessing a limited form of Pyrokinesis (the fire creation part) but that's all.Superlana 14:27, February 14, 2012 (UTC)

That's like saying users of Aerokinesis can acces Telekinesis because they can both move objects (with wind or with the mind.) MA and Pyrokinesis may both create fire, but they are completely seperate powers. Charmdozo 15:48, February 14, 2012 (UTC)

I like MA too. I've seen that alot of fans don't appreciate Piper's season 9 advancement as much as Phoebe and Paige's. I think it's a great and useful power. I mean, for one thing, she hasn't had it that long and she's already shown 3 aspects of it (melting, burning and heating), plus I think it kind of goes with the character development... think about it: Piper was the panicky middle sister with the power to freeze, as she became more of a fighter and stronger she got MC and now that she is getting her life in order, opened her restaraunt and finally following her dream, she has a much greater control over her power. I think it's great writing :) P3nathan

P3nathan your right, Piper's power suit her place in life right now. And I'm really happy their showing her doing all these different things with it. To be honest I wasn't really happy in the beginning, I hated it and thought it useless. I'm glad I was proven wrong.:)Superlana 16:09, February 14, 2012 (UTC)

I agree their totally different powers, and each power create fire in different ways. However, the fire creation characteristic is present in both powers. Instead of "grants access to", I will change it to " works similar to" or something along those line. Anyway I have to go to work now, so I would have to do it later. If you want to change feel free. Superlana 16:09, February 14, 2012 (UTC)

What I dont get is how Piper could access MA to create fire before the ultimate battle and before Prue comes back. Is it possible that her MC was weaker allowing MA and now both of those powers are stronger allowing her MC to vanquish immune demons.Kt111 16:27, February 14, 2012 (UTC)

Her explosions could sometimes cause a fire, but it wasn't MA. Like in Exit Strategy, she set fire to a bush. But MA allows her to create fire without the blast. P3nathan

First i wasnt exciting of this power because i wanted for Piper to have Inhinbition but now change my mind. Mol. Acceleration is powerful and very useful ability with many different effects. its like she has 3 more powers. I really like that her power stays as stayed in the show about Molecular Manipulation. I hope in the future she will have completely control of mol. manipulation and display more branches!Excalibur90 21:37, February 14, 2012 (UTC)

I've always like Molecular Acceleration, and Inhibition seems like a stretch, I doubt her power would advance that way. What other aspects of MA can you guys see Piper developing? Yemi1010 20:27, February 15, 2012 (UTC)

I think Piper will probably just use the aspects she has for now, but it'd be cool to see some different ways. Like if she fought someone with a sword or knife, she could super heat it and force them to drop the weapon. I'd also like to see her use the melting aspect some more, maybe to disable bigger demons like she did with the Source P3nathan

I'm not a big fan of the power, but I really like P3Nathan's earlier description about Piper's power evolution, about her being more in control of her life. If you look at it like that, it makes sense. I think if anything, Piper will also gain more control over her immobiliation, allowing her to use deceleration as well, for a more subtle effect. Charmdozo 11:14, February 16, 2012 (UTC)

Can she really use MD or just on powerful beings because of their resistance. I think the next evolution would be a more developed MI with MD using it on objects. Also I agree I think it's time Piper stops automatically using MC to blow up demons and learns to fight them using her powers in different ways like she started doing with deviation. Most of the time she just blew up a demon and for me it took some of the fun of the show making somewhat predictable battles. So i like that MA gives her the opportunity to play with more aspects of her power.Kt111 17:19, February 16, 2012 (UTC)

We've only ever seen her use MD by default whenever an enemy is too strong to freeze. I imagine if Piper really wanted to, she probably could slow something down without having it completely freeze... I just struggle to think of a situation where deceleration would be prefferable if she can immobilize. It's not really as different an effect as MA can be to MC P3nathan

Maybe when someone is falling, because a weird thing that happens with MI is that somehow Piper is able to change the speed in which an object falls (if it's frozen it should continue with the same speed when it returns to normal) unless that's an aspect of MD in MI. She can also change the trajectory of the object.Kt111 18:05, February 17, 2012 (UTC)

Liquification vs Melting Edit

Why are we calling it liquification? Piper's powers can melt things. Liquifiction might sound better or 'more scientific' according to some, but liquification does'n't always have to to with heat. Melting is a perfectly normal name, which is used in the comics themselves. Charmdozo 15:57, February 15, 2012 (UTC)

Melting is better in my opinion. It was used in the comic more than once and we have a page called liquefication, it's how the Sea Hag turned herself into water. Melting is just as scientific a term as liquefication anyway P3nathan

Agreed, Liquification is longer and more confusing. I also prefer "Heating" to "Creating Heat." They say the same things but one is shorter and sweeter. In my opinion, the titles should be "Melting," "Ignition," and "Heating." Yemi1010 20:19, February 15, 2012 (UTC)

I like Melting as well.Superlana 21:03, February 15, 2012 (UTC)

LimitationsEdit

Why does it say that Piper needs to see her target wheen she didn't have to look at the rope to burn it? Yemi1010 20:21, February 15, 2012 (UTC)

The rope was right beside Piper, saw it and put her hand over it.Superlana 21:02, February 15, 2012 (UTC)

I think it should say "In contact of..." because that covers eye contact and physical contact. --KhanWiz - Guardian ~ (talk) ~ (email) KhanWoodmark 15:47, February 25, 2012 (UTC)

Energy Beams Edit

Piper does not have the power to throw beams that melt things. It may seem like it in the comic image, but that's just how it was drawn to show her using her power, that's just how things are animated in comics. Piper's powers are molecular based, she doesn't throw out random energy beams. Charmdozo 16:38, February 25, 2012 (UTC)

The road is glowing as it melts, it's just the angle it's drawn at P3nathan

Ok i will say it again, you think that ,that doesnt mean that is true. Only if paul said it.... Because im bored with the drama of Charmebozo i leave. Excalibur90 16:51, February 25, 2012 (UTC)

Real mature, just grow up and accept the fact that you're wrong. Charmdozo 16:56, February 25, 2012 (UTC)

@Excalibur90, there's really no need to be like that, especially since I doubt you asked Paul before you changed the article based on your opinion in the first place. Piper's MA power causes her hands or the object to glow, sometimes both... it is quite clear to me that that is what's happening in issue 5. If it isn't to you, then maybe you should ask Paul. But based on how it has worked every time since issue 5, surely you must understand how the road glowing is much more likely than an energy beam P3nathan

Just a note, there is a huge difference between 'melting' (acceleration) and 'blowing up' (combustion). One can be seen as a phase change ie-solid state to melted state. The other is technically a chemical change. Combustion implies that there was a sort of burning invoved from all the heat. Cms0128 19:36, March 4, 2012 (UTC)cms0128

Noticed something while re-reading The Heavens Can Wait Edit

Remember when Paul said MA would be used in the issue and everyone was suprised when it wasn't? Well I noticed something in the issue when I was re-reading it in the copy of vol3 I just got. If you take a look at the image, the blast we thought came from Piper could actually have been one of many blasts that I believe to have been caused by the cannons (if you look at the direction the cannons are pointing, they're lined up). The blast is actually underneath where Piper is targetting. It is my theory that Piper used MA to accelerate the air molecules and fly them across and perhaps the glow effect was just forgotten on this occasion (or maybe because she was using it on air, the effect is completely invisible, or ir could be because the shield is already making a glowy effect). What do you guys think? P3nathan

I definitely think she was using MA to accelerate the air molecules. I think the glow is only used on certain occasions like later in "The Heavens Can Wait" when Prue's flashing back about the sisters' powers growing, Piper is using MA to cook and there's no glow. I don't think the glow is specific to MA because in "The Heir Up There" there's a glow effect when Piper freezes all the chairs and I think the glow is just used to just show the reader what Piper is doing. FANaticyeah 10:26, April 20, 2012 (UTC)


I just read it yesterday and i thought the same thing! ... but i dont know what power is excactly.. sure its not immobilization or combustion. its acceleration or something else. leo ask her if she can manipulate the air molecules and piper made the shield move. so i think that piper manipulate the air so she create wind to make the shield move. i think that piper starts to have molecular manipulation. with her powers she manipulates the air its excactly what leo said. piper could create ice, fire, heat and i think now air but im not sure...and im not sure if that was a new aspect of M.A. because this power have aspects conected with heat and fire, this has to do with manipulation of air molecules.Excalibur90 10:59, April 20, 2012 (UTC)

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take a look at this and see what you think

Well the acceleration of molecules can increase kinetic energy as well as heat energy, so I definitely think it's MA. Heating up the air molecules could cause a sort of ripple effect since the transfer of heat energy to any molecules increases its kinetic energy. I'll try and ask Paul to make certain though P3nathan

Just tweeted him, hopefully he won't be in a "well, what do you think it was?" kind of mood lol P3nathan


It was pretty much said in the comic that Piper manipulated the air molecules with MA. She heated the air, using the shield like an air balloon on warm air. On a seperate note, I don't see how using MC on the ground would ever even move them. Charmdozo 11:54, April 20, 2012 (UTC)

So you think we could consider it part of the 'Heating' aspect then? I think we were all thinking she perhaps used the force of her explosion rather than the explosion itself (kinda like how she sent Paige flying when she blew up the table in Sense and Sense Ability) P3nathan

Yes, I'm pretty much convinced of that. That's what I got from the conversation between her and Leo and I think it's the most logical thing. Charmdozo 12:07, April 20, 2012 (UTC)

What was Paul's answer Was it MC or MA? - Peter Halliwell 17:45, May 1, 2012 (UTC)

Oh sorry, after all that I forgot to tell you guys... it was indeed her new power and the explosion near her was from one of the canons P3nathan

Cole in Bite MeEdit

I think Cole used this power in Bite Me on the Harpy's Hand. He uses some kind of power on it, it turns red/orange (like it's getting very hot), then the contours are turning yellow, the yellow expands over the hand and then the hand starts smoking. When almost the whole hand is yellow, it disappears, leaving smoke. Tooniee 15:16, May 31, 2012 (UTC)

Aspects Edit

I love this power, has many aspects! Piper can melt, heat, burn and now this ability she used on the shield. This power is very useful, i hope Piper will use it with more offensive way in the future.Excalibur90 11:36, June 8, 2012 (UTC)

It always reminds of a part in the movie "Stardust". There's this one bit where this prince approaches a witch with his sword and she points at it, making the sword scorching hot and making him drop it (while burning his hand of course). I think that'd be a cool way for Piper to use it, especially since there seem to be more demons using weapons in the comics. P3nathan (talk)

In reality all the charmed powers are really versatile the problem was that on the tv show they lacked some imagination and maybe resources to produce the different aspects. I do like this ability though but I dont really consider it a new power. To me MA seems like the perfect comic type of ability in the sense that there really are no limits with this ability.Kt111 (talk) 00:26, July 1, 2013 (UTC)

Piper's Molecular Acceleration Edit

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Piper using Molecular Acceleration in Kill Billie: Vol. 2

Piper did not gain her Molecular Acceleration power in the comic books... She received it in Season 8. During the Episode Kill Billie: Vol 2, the Charmed Ones are banished to the underworld. While down there, Piper uses Molecular Acceleration to start a fire.

AnotherCharmedFan (talk) 16:04, September 10, 2012 (UTC)AnotherCharmedFan

Molecular Acceleration was not created until the comics, perhaps it served as some kind of inspiration for it, but its just combustion. Charmdozo (talk) 18:47, September 10, 2012 (UTC)

I think that if there would be a similar situation in the comics, we'd probably consider it MA. Tooniee (talk) 20:21, September 10, 2012 (UTC)

Even though you're absolutely right with that comment Toonie, Piper has been able to cause fires with her Combustion power since the first episode she received it. To be honest, when it comes to ignition, MC and MA are hard to differentiate between. However Paul clearly said at the time that the burning we see her do in the comics was part of her new power.
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.. or I should say: new aspect, because Paul just doesn't seperate powers the way we do here. But he's not writing power articles which need titles. P3nathan (talk)

It's just a more controlled version of MC but maybe it would be a good idea touse the gifs of Piper creating fires on the infobox since in my opinion it looks better than with the comic's drawings.Kt111 (talk) 00:18, September 11, 2012 (UTC)

MA is a comic power, using anything other than a comic image would be incorrect. Charmdozo (talk) 08:14, September 11, 2012 (UTC)

When/where is said that MA is a power that was created for the comics? I'm not saying it's not, I would just like to know. Tooniee (talk) 16:30, September 11, 2012 (UTC)

I don't mean anything by this, but how is that not obvious? Piper developed it in the comics, it was treated as a new thing, it was never seen or mentioned before. It was created in the comics. Charmdozo (talk) 22:13, September 11, 2012 (UTC)

Here's a Paul quote, talking about MA. Bear in mind, Paul doesn't separate powers like we do, as far as he's concerned, Piper can manipulate the speed of molecules and that's that. "Piper slowed things down to freeze them and she sped things up to the point they exploded. This is something in between. Not necessarily a “new” power but an evolution of the power she already has. You can call it what you like. I’m calling it George". I should also mention that when Piper burned through the rope in 9x5 he said "that was George" when people askedwhich power it was. This is Piper doing more with molecules, just like Phoebe can do more Empathic things and Paige can do more telekinetic things...all because of Prue's presence on earth as was established later. P3nathan (talk)

I understand Paul's view and sometimes I even prefer it in cases such as Pathokinesis, but if it were complete up to his words, nothing here would be named and I think it would become slightly unorganized. I think the system of how powers are described now are working in general for this wiki, despite some disagreement at times. Charmdozo (talk) 22:29, September 11, 2012 (UTC)

Completely agree. It was fine for the show to not always name powers, it's fine for Paul not to name them... but articles need titles and a wiki needs organising, so we simply can't work that way. I think him saying "an evolution of the power she already has" is as close as we'll get to him calling any of the sisters' new powers "new" P3nathan (talk)

I agree but why not put gifs of Piper creating fire. I doubt that the effect of MC would change for MA (like her hands glowing) if the power was introduced on the show. That effect was introduced to differentiate the two powers. And the effect wasnt always used.Kt111 (talk) 00:03, September 13, 2012 (UTC)

I completely understand where you're coming from and I don't entirely disagree with you, but I still think that using a s3 or even s8 gif might imply that Piper received this "greater control" prior to season 9. Perhaps to avoid confusion about the ignition aspect, we should use the melting pic or the pot heating pic for the info box. Perhaps the heating pic would be best, since all aspects of this power involve heat (boiling water, ignition, melting, air pressure, ground cracking). What do you guys think? P3nathan (talk)

Fine by me. Tooniee (talk) 19:22, September 13, 2012 (UTC)

I like the one where she is in Neena's realm and her hands glow when starting a fire, though it might be confusing with the thing that started this discussion, the underworld scene in Kill Billie. Perhaps the cooking image would be best. Charmdozo (talk) 19:42, September 13, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, I actually like that one too, but it probably would raise the same question. Okay, we'll see what the cooking image looks like :) P3nathan (talk)

Ground CrackingEdit

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I know it's noted as TK orbing on here, however on Charmedcomicfan's blog, people are accepting it as MA... and it does make sense. Reasons:

1) Accelerate ground molecules would crack it. Intense heat can cause things to crack. Think of solid ground in a volcanic climate, it has a lot of cracks. So an intense shot of heat could cause that kind of violent crack.

2) Looking at the way Rubine draws orbs... it's very different. I think it's more like the glow we've seen from MA.

3) Piper uses her power straight after, just like Paige uses orb shield straight after Prue does in the same scene.

4) Prue's hand gesture resembles Piper's

I know none of us know for certain (and Paul won't tell me), but thought people would like to decide for themselves. P3nathan (talk)

I think it's tk orbing or advanced tk orbing. We have seen tk orbing used that way (mirror in charmed again) so maybe it's like i said before an advanced version of tk orbing. It could also be MA but i think it's less likely. Both Paige and Piper use the same hand gestures except when Paige call objects to her. With instances like this one it really sucks that there isnt more consistancy in regards to the drawings.Kt111 (talk) 21:44, September 13, 2012 (UTC)

The Fifth Halliwheel Edit

Remember in? The Fifth Halliwheel when Piper tried to blow up the Power Broker while she was in the underworld, but it failed? Well wouldn't it make sense that she used MA as it's described as a weaker version of MC and her powers were weakened at the time? Yemi1010 (talk) 17:39, November 23, 2012 (UTC)

MA wasnt seen as an actual power until the comics. There were a lot of times during the tv show run when Piper accidentally used MA by weakening her MC but she never fully controlled other aspects or side-effects of MA until the comics.Kt111 (talk) 02:01, November 24, 2012 (UTC)

Heating up bloodEdit

Could someone heat up another persons blood using this power? ThePowerofOne (talk) 09:54, July 24, 2013 (UTC)


Probably    Original Authority    Chant My Vanquishes Summon Me 09:56, July 27, 2013 (UTC)

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